To @UnitedSeminary : John Wesley Would Oppose Kenneth Copeland’s Prosperity Gospel

John Wesley (1703-1791), founder of Methodism

I am speaking out of my capacity as someone with Methodist and Wesleyan friends, as well as someone who agrees for the most part with Wesleyan theology. John Wesley would not approve of the prosperity anti-gospel, and the Word of BANKĀ  Faith movement. I have already made my opposition known to Tither-Driven Churches; I would now like to use John Wesley himself as an example, especially in light of lame-line seminaries aligning themselves with heresy in order to make a cheap buck. It’s pretty unbelieveable that this same school United Seminary has a member on its board who would rather go on an anti-Catholic rant (he’s a Methodist pastor) rather than confronting heretics. Apostacy wins. Tradition loses.

There is a difference between Catholics and the Word of Bank Faith movement. Catholic priests preach the Gospel, the Good News God ordained for the poor, for the broken hearted, for the unborn, and for the elderly. The prosperity anti-gospel does the exact opposite; we cannot compare the two. Catholic clergy and laity affirm the content of the Gospel while the prosperity anti-gospel movement, they CHANGE the content of the gospel to its very antithesis.

This leads me to reflect on John Wesley’s sermon on 1st Timothy 6:9; now, 1st and 2nd Timothy are not just friendly pastoral letters telling us how we should run our “CHUCH”; no indeed, historically, Paul is confronting rich women who were trying to take over the life of the church by their wealth and power. Theologically reconsidered, Paul’s message to Timothy and his church matches Jesus’ priestly ministry, that God just does not have a heart for the poor, but that they are His very heart, His existence, and, as the song goes, He is the Defender of the Weak, a Comfort to those in need. Our love and solidarity for the poor do not take a backseat to ecclesiology or pastoral authority; rather it is the reverse.

John Wesley preached on thedangers of riches, and greed ruled his day like it does our: “How many thousands do we find at this day, in whom the ruling principle is, the desire to enlarge the pleasure of tasting! Perhaps they do not gratify this desire in a gross manner, so as to incur the imputation of intemperance; much less so as to violate health or impair their understanding by gluttony or drunkenness. But they live in a genteel, regular sensuality; in an elegant epicurism, which does not hurt the body, but only destroys the soul, keeping it at a distance from all true religion.” Of course when you believe in either a hedonistic god like John Piper who only works for His own good please, well, I guess it’s okay to affirm a capitalism where each works for his own good.

Philosophically, John Wesley was a contemporary, and a vocal opponent of the pagan philosopher economist Adam Smith. United Methodist theologian Joerg Rieger notes in his book, NO Rising Tide that it was faithful Christians like John Wesley who first confronted Smith and his unbiblical theories, not any “godless Marxists.” Justice must include covenant, and the New Covenant, just as the First Covenant, gives first priority to the widows, the orphans, the elderly,the exiled, and the unborn over those concerned with the here and now, the middle-class, and those who see themselves in “stable-homes.” This goes against the logic of “satan likes to see a poor preacher’; that’s just bad anti-gospel theology, and misses the whole point about Scripture’s message (and John Wesley’s view) about stewardship.

Are modern-day Protestant clergy here in Amerika superior to the apostles and disciples, that we don’t have to go through persecution, or fellowship with the disabled, or suffer through poverty, chosen or unchosen? I guess according to UTS and Copeland, they are. Maybe Protestants need to start learning from Catholics and start taking Vows of Poverty.

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19 thoughts on “To @UnitedSeminary : John Wesley Would Oppose Kenneth Copeland’s Prosperity Gospel

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  3. Leonardo

    Papists, which I was once, are deluded by Satan!

    Their Pope, Benedict XVI states that ANTICHRIST Talmudic Jews & Quranic Muslims worship the same “god” as he & his cult does!

    Let us be clear!

    Today’s Money Counterfeiters are a lot more sophisticated than their “brothers” were a few years ago!

    Benny the Clown, Pontifex Maximus uses ALL the Evangelical jargon, but at heart he is a Satanist aka a protector of PEDOPHILES; those who have been destroying the lives of young children SINCE the Council of Elvira, 309 AD.

    Most, if not ALL of Christendom is APOSTATE. We are in the Last Days!

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  4. Leonardo

    Hi RodtRDH,

    My best friend is the local Roman Catholic Priest! I live in a Roman Catholic city & country. I was Union Representative & Health & Safety Representative for my Roman Catholic work mates for years, so where is your bases for saying I hate Roman Catholics?

    Did Jesus HATE the Pharisees when He said what He said in John 8:44-47; Matthew ch 15 & ch 23?

    Did Paul HATE Peter when he “balled him out” in front of everyone?

    Did the prophets HATE the Jews in the Old Testament, when they condemned their actions?

    Put down those COMICS you are reading and start reading the Word of God; and oh, by the way, the Book of Esther is classed as FARCE by Jews! What do yo make of that?

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    1. RodtRDH Post author

      Hey Leonardo,

      My basis for you hating Roman Catholics comes from your own post:

      “Benny the Clown, Pontifex Maximus uses ALL the Evangelical jargon, but at heart he is a Satanist aka a protector of PEDOPHILES; those who have been destroying the lives of young children SINCE the Council of Elvira, 309 AD”

      That, my dear friend, is hate speech. 309 ad is when child molestation started? Not only are you ignoring Protestants who have problems with sexual immorality, but you are even going so far as saying that these people are friends with Satan.

      You aren’t Jesus. you aren’t the apostle Paul, you sure as hell are not any of the Old Testament prophets. Stop trying to pretend they are your example. Just because it’s in the Bible does not give you license to do hate speech. Jepthah burned his daughter to death at an altar because he rashly promised God he’d sacrifice the first person he saw after battle. Does that mean I can burn my sister? My aunt? That’s just stupid logic. Also, Paul , in Ephesians tell us to love all others in love, speaking truth in love. You are spewing lies in hatred for your fellow human beings.

      I find it hilarious when people use the “My best friend is such and such I am bigot against”in this case, the local Roman Catholic Priest! I live in a Roman Catholic city & country.” This still does not give you freedom to spread hatred and falsehoods. You obviously are not aware of Protestants, good baptists at that who are now under scrutiny for endangering the lives of children: like at Prestonwood Baptist Compound– http://www.abpnews.com/content/view/6712/53/ or how about Eddie Long’s problems: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/31/eddie-long-wants-to-move-past-sex-charges_n_943552.html

      Jesus said before you take the speck out of your opponents’ eyes, take the log out of yours.

      “Put down those COMICS you are reading and start reading the Word of God”

      You don’t know me, so frakk you and your gorram self-righteousness.

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