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Score: Joel, 1, Neil Godfrey & Stephan Huller, Negative A Billion

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Mythicist Neil Godfrey was caught stealing intellectual property, and now he’s crying fowl. Joel Watts is in the right and Neil knows it. This is exactly why I have a Fair Use Policy for Political Jesus.

Also, it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that Stephan Huller is making personal attacks against bonafide writers/scholars.

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Bravo! James McGrath To Respond To Mythicism

“It was recently suggested to me that it might be useful to put together an index of mythicist claims, and the answers and responses to those claims from the perspective of mainstream historical study. Although it can be said that every claim by mythicists has probably been addressed at least implicitly in scholarly monographs and articles at some point, there is a need for those points to be collated and summarized online for the benefit of the general public.”

I think James is on to something, and I like the idea of having a TalkOrigins:An Index Responding to Creationism for Mythicism. I don’t think I am invested enough in this debate to contribute but I will definitely follow and update folks.

For more, read Announcing TalkHistoricity:An Index of Mythicist Claims

Irony Anyone? Mythicists Depend on Christian Theological Interpretation


Mythicists as a group of thinkers who challenge the notion of a historical Jesus figure are utterly dependent on Christian theology and interpretation in their views on the Old Testament. Kevin of Diglotting in his follow up post to his excellent review series of “Is This Not The Carpenter?”; see all three parts:

Is This Not the Carpenter Part 1

Is This Not The Carpenter Part 2

Is this Not The Carpenter Part 3

The follow-up post, Mythicism And A Suffering Messiah mentions that mythicists discuss a “messianic component to Isaiah.” Anyone who has taken an Introduction to Hebrew Bible course, or even talked to a Jewish person before would tell you that Isaiah 53, the Suffering Servant passage could be discussing a prophet who may have faced persecution, and even Israel itself. To make the theological leap from Suffering Servant to Yeshua the Messiah happens in the New Testament, mythicists are mimicking what some early Jewish Christians did, like with Phillip in his conversation with the Ethiopian eunuch (Acts 8) and with the writer of 1st Peter 2.

Also, one point on Ezekiel 8:14 as evidence of “rampant Inanna worship gone wild,” as Katherine Pfisterer Darr notes in her commentary, as well as other historians, the lamenting of the Tammuz was popular among primarily women. Fact is, Ezekiel’s prophecy, if taken seriously, happens in the SIXTH month and not the FOURTH, where in Mesopotamia, lament for the deity’s descent occurred. If sacred time means anything for the historical of religion, I can only assume a few things about the Israelite women who participated in the grievance ritual and Ezekiel. Either they did not know how to keep up with the time as well as other folk in the Ancient Near East, or they were very bad and unfaithful worshippers of Inanna. Or, more than likely, we shouldn’t quote ONE SINGLE PROOFTEXT, and using Ezekiel’s vision of all things, as historical evidence. I would go with the latter! Using this part of Ezekiel’s dream to prove the idea of a dying messiah in Israel and Judah is no more reasonable than me using Ezekiel 1 to talking about the history of aliens and UFO’s!


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